¿Por qué no existen juegos del C64 sin crakear?

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¿Por qué no existen juegos del C64 sin crakear?

Mensajepor Bubu » 09 Oct 2018, 23:20

¡Jarl, torpedos!

Resulta que hace unos 7 años me pillé un C64 panera bastante asequible, con una disquetera 1541, todo carburando perfestamente. Me hice con un cable que me permitía grabar disquetes desde el PC, y aluego los ponía en el C64 y todo perfesto, pero cuál es mi sorpresa que al iniciar, me decía que el juego estaba crakeado por no sé quién, y que si quería vidas infinitas, y yo que no, que si quería modo invisible, y yo que no, que si quería juegar sin enemigos, y yo que no... Amoavé, un juego está pa juegarlo tal y como se pogramó.

En fins, me grabé otro, y más de lo mismo, y otro, y lo mismo, etc, etc. He llegado a probar 20 ó 30 juegos, descargados de diferentes páginas, y todos, y digo TODOS, están crakeados, y con vidas infinitas y demás fanfarria.

¿Dónde están los juegos tal y como fueron pogramados por el pogramador? ¿Por qué es tan complicado encontrar uno sin modificar?
Si algo funciona... ¡¡NO LO TOQUES!! ¡¡NI DE COÑA!!

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Re: ¿Por qué no existen juegos del C64 sin crakear?

Mensajepor explorer » 10 Oct 2018, 00:24

Es muy posible que en la colección TOSEC encuentres lo que quieres.

Estoy viendo que la parte de C64 pesa 21 GB (comprimido).

Lo malo es que se distribuye completa (151 GB).

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Re: ¿Por qué no existen juegos del C64 sin crakear?

Mensajepor Bubu » 10 Oct 2018, 00:44

Po va a ser que no, 151GB me paese a mí que son 100 MB en juegos, y 150,9GB en afotos, carátulas, instrucciones... No es lo que busco... Además es que tengo una curiosidad ansiosa por saber el por qué de este culto al juego crackeado en C64, cosa que no pasa con ningún otro ordeñador. ¿Naide siente que un juego crackeado es como un cuadro pintarraqueao, o un libro con anotaciones, etc? ¿Los megafrikis y puristas del C64 no tienen sus juegos sin crackear?
Si algo funciona... ¡¡NO LO TOQUES!! ¡¡NI DE COÑA!!

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Re: ¿Por qué no existen juegos del C64 sin crakear?

Mensajepor Namek » 10 Oct 2018, 01:22

Tambien pasa con el Amiga, casi todos los juegos preservados estan crackeados...

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Re: ¿Por qué no existen juegos del C64 sin crakear?

Mensajepor BlackHole » 10 Oct 2018, 04:19

¿Complicado? No, en absoluto es complicado. Lo que hay que saber es dónde buscar:
https://cbm8bit.com/8bit/commodore/search
Ahí podrás encontrar TAPs de las cintas originales sin trainers ni intros ni leches, y discos protegidos en formato G64 sin crackear,
Cuando pongas algunas y al final te aburras de lo engorrosas que son, pues volverás a las soluciones desprotegidas. ;)

Es más, en los últimos meses he desprotegido 5 ó 6 juegos sin trainers ni intros, con descompresores rápidos que ni existían por la época, y son muy cómodas y mantienen toda la esencia original del juego, pero el currazo que llevan hacerlas no me lo vuelvo a pegar, a no ser que esté en un periodo hipomaniaco. Las tengo colgadas tanto en Zona de Pruebas como en RetroWiki.

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Re: ¿Por qué no existen juegos del C64 sin crakear?

Mensajepor gamer80 » 10 Oct 2018, 07:33

Cierto!, a mi también me llamó la atención, hace tiempo descargué un romset para el C64 (que por cierto no sabia que existieran tantos juegos para este micro) y todos están hackeados, alguien ha dedicado mucho tiempo..es un poco coñazo porque para jugar a muchos hay que tragarse la intro y pulsar space, tab para continuar.. con lo fácil que es darle al botón fire del joystick y que comience el juego, pero bueno, al menos funcionan.
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Re: ¿Por qué no existen juegos del C64 sin crakear?

Mensajepor llopis » 10 Oct 2018, 08:33

BlackHole escribió:Las tengo colgadas tanto en Zona de Pruebas como en RetroWiki.

¿Y por dónde andan exactamente? Me gustaría echarles un vistazo.

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Re: ¿Por qué no existen juegos del C64 sin crakear?

Mensajepor marcos64 » 10 Oct 2018, 10:13

Lo siento, pero un juego sin Intro no esta completo ;D

Y cuando te pongas a pasar G64 (tienes que hacer un cable especial y modificar la 1541) ya no te pareceran tan malos los juegos crackeados. Salvo que tengas una 1541Ultimate.

Estan crackeados por un motivo: tienen protecciones para impedir que puedas usar las copias ;)

Ademas, muchos cracks eliminan bugs que tenian esos juegos originales y añadiendo mejoras como turbos de carga.

PD He buscado algun enlace a TOSEC que te permita navegar y descargar individualamente pero no lo he encontrado :( No se si lo han eliminado... antes si se podia.
http://marcos64.orgfree.com/
Actualizacion 11/6/2015: Añadida Load'N'Run numero 3.

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Re: ¿Por qué no existen juegos del C64 sin crakear?

Mensajepor BlackHole » 10 Oct 2018, 11:03

llopis escribió:¿Y por dónde andan exactamente? Me gustaría echarles un vistazo.
http://zonadepruebas.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=8118

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Re: ¿Por qué no existen juegos del C64 sin crakear?

Mensajepor explorer » 10 Oct 2018, 14:32

Bubu escribió:Po va a ser que no, 151GB me paese a mí que son 100 MB en juegos, y 150,9GB en afotos, carátulas, instrucciones... No es lo que busco...
Pues... software hay para aburrir...

Esto es lo que hay bajo el directorio de Commodore:

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./C64/Games/SEUCK/[G64]/Commodore C64 - Games - SEUCK - [G64]
./C64/Games/SEUCK/[Z64]/Commodore C64 - Games - SEUCK - [Z64]
./C64/Games/SEUCK/[P00]/Commodore C64 - Games - SEUCK - [P00]
./C64/Games/[Z64]/Commodore C64 - Games - [Z64]
./C64/Games/[P00]/Commodore C64 - Games - [P00]
./C64/Coverdisks/[D81]/Commodore C64 - Coverdisks - [D81]
./C64/Coverdisks/[D64]/Commodore C64 - Coverdisks - [D64]
./C64/Coverdisks/[PRG]/Commodore C64 - Coverdisks - [PRG]
./C64/Coverdisks/[T64]/Commodore C64 - Coverdisks - [T64]
./C64/Coverdisks/[TAP]/Commodore C64 - Coverdisks - [TAP]
./C64/Animations/[D64]/Commodore C64 - Animations - [D64]
./C64/Animations/[REU]/Commodore C64 - Animations - [REU]
./C64/Animations/[LNX]/Commodore C64 - Animations - [LNX]
./C64/Animations/[PRG]/Commodore C64 - Animations - [PRG]
./C64/Animations/[T64]/Commodore C64 - Animations - [T64]
./C64/Animations/[P00]/Commodore C64 - Animations - [P00]
./C64/Public Domain/[NIB]/Commodore C64 - Public Domain - [NIB]
./C64/Public Domain/[D64]/Commodore C64 - Public Domain - [D64]
./C64/Public Domain/[G64]/Commodore C64 - Public Domain - [G64]
./C64/Public Domain/[Z64]/Commodore C64 - Public Domain - [Z64]
./C64/Demos/[D81]/Commodore C64 - Demos - [D81]
./C64/Demos/[ARC]/Commodore C64 - Demos - [ARC]
./C64/Demos/[NIB]/Commodore C64 - Demos - [NIB]
./C64/Demos/[D64]/Commodore C64 - Demos - [D64]
./C64/Demos/[LNX]/Commodore C64 - Demos - [LNX]
./C64/Demos/[PRG]/Commodore C64 - Demos - [PRG]
./C64/Demos/[SDA]/Commodore C64 - Demos - [SDA]
./C64/Demos/[ARK]/Commodore C64 - Demos - [ARK]
./C64/Demos/[T64]/Commodore C64 - Demos - [T64]
./C64/Demos/[BIN]/Commodore C64 - Demos - [BIN]
./C64/Demos/[TAP]/Commodore C64 - Demos - [TAP]
./C64/Demos/Collections/[D64]/Commodore C64 - Demos - Collections - [D64]
./C64/Demos/Collections/[Z64]/Commodore C64 - Demos - Collections - [Z64]
./C64/Demos/[CRT]/Commodore C64 - Demos - [CRT]
./C64/Demos/[G64]/Commodore C64 - Demos - [G64]
./C64/Demos/[D71]/Commodore C64 - Demos - [D71]
./C64/Demos/[SFX]/Commodore C64 - Demos - [SFX]
./C64/Demos/[Z64]/Commodore C64 - Demos - [Z64]
./C64/Demos/[P00]/Commodore C64 - Demos - [P00]
./C64/Graphics/[D81]/Commodore C64 - Graphics - [D81]
./C64/Graphics/[NIB]/Commodore C64 - Graphics - [NIB]
./C64/Graphics/[D64]/Commodore C64 - Graphics - [D64]
./C64/Graphics/[LNX]/Commodore C64 - Graphics - [LNX]
./C64/Graphics/[PRG]/Commodore C64 - Graphics - [PRG]
./C64/Graphics/[T64]/Commodore C64 - Graphics - [T64]
./C64/Graphics/[Z64]/Commodore C64 - Graphics - [Z64]
./C64/Graphics/[P00]/Commodore C64 - Graphics - [P00]
./C64/Compilations/Games/[D81]/Commodore C64 - Compilations - Games - [D81]
./C64/Compilations/Games/[D64]/Commodore C64 - Compilations - Games - [D64]
./C64/Compilations/Games/[LNX]/Commodore C64 - Compilations - Games - [LNX]
./C64/Compilations/Games/[T64]/Commodore C64 - Compilations - Games - [T64]
./C64/Compilations/Games/[TAP]/Commodore C64 - Compilations - Games - [TAP]
./C64/Compilations/Games/[CRT]/Commodore C64 - Compilations - Games - [CRT]
./C64/Compilations/Games/[Z64]/Commodore C64 - Compilations - Games - [Z64]
./C64/Compilations/Various/[D64]/Commodore C64 - Compilations - Various - [D64]
./C64/Compilations/Various/[Z64]/Commodore C64 - Compilations - Various - [Z64]
./C64/Compilations/Educational/Commodore C64 - Compilations - Educational
./C64/Applications/Test Disks/[NIB]/Commodore C64 - Applications - Test Disks - [NIB]
./C64/Applications/Test Disks/[D64]/Commodore C64 - Applications - Test Disks - [D64]
./C64/Applications/Test Disks/[G64]/Commodore C64 - Applications - Test Disks - [G64]
./C64/Applications/[D81]/Commodore C64 - Applications - [D81]
./C64/Applications/[NBZ]/Commodore C64 - Applications - [NBZ]
./C64/Applications/[ARC]/Commodore C64 - Applications - [ARC]
./C64/Applications/[NIB]/Commodore C64 - Applications - [NIB]
./C64/Applications/[D64]/Commodore C64 - Applications - [D64]
./C64/Applications/[LNX]/Commodore C64 - Applications - [LNX]
./C64/Applications/[PRG]/Commodore C64 - Applications - [PRG]
./C64/Applications/[SDA]/Commodore C64 - Applications - [SDA]
./C64/Applications/[ARK]/Commodore C64 - Applications - [ARK]
./C64/Applications/[T64]/Commodore C64 - Applications - [T64]
./C64/Applications/[BIN]/Commodore C64 - Applications - [BIN]
./C64/Applications/[TAP]/Commodore C64 - Applications - [TAP]
./C64/Applications/[CRT]/Commodore C64 - Applications - [CRT]
./C64/Applications/[G64]/Commodore C64 - Applications - [G64]
./C64/Applications/[SFX]/Commodore C64 - Applications - [SFX]
./C64/Applications/[DFI]/Commodore C64 - Applications - [DFI]
./C64/Applications/[Z64]/Commodore C64 - Applications - [Z64]
./C64/Applications/[P00]/Commodore C64 - Applications - [P00]
./C64/Diskmags/Commercial/[D81]/Commodore C64 - Diskmags - Commercial - [D81]
./C64/Diskmags/Commercial/[NBZ]/Commodore C64 - Diskmags - Commercial - [NBZ]
./C64/Diskmags/Commercial/[ARC]/Commodore C64 - Diskmags - Commercial - [ARC]
./C64/Diskmags/Commercial/[NIB]/Commodore C64 - Diskmags - Commercial - [NIB]
./C64/Diskmags/Commercial/[D64]/Commodore C64 - Diskmags - Commercial - [D64]
./C64/Diskmags/Commercial/[WR3]/Commodore C64 - Diskmags - Commercial - [WR3]
./C64/Diskmags/Commercial/[LNX]/Commodore C64 - Diskmags - Commercial - [LNX]
./C64/Diskmags/Commercial/[SDA]/Commodore C64 - Diskmags - Commercial - [SDA]
./C64/Diskmags/Commercial/[TAP]/Commodore C64 - Diskmags - Commercial - [TAP]
./C64/Diskmags/Commercial/[G64]/Commodore C64 - Diskmags - Commercial - [G64]
./C64/Diskmags/Commercial/[SFX]/Commodore C64 - Diskmags - Commercial - [SFX]
./C64/Diskmags/Commercial/[Z64]/Commodore C64 - Diskmags - Commercial - [Z64]
./C64/Diskmags/Scene/[D81]/Commodore C64 - Diskmags - Scene - [D81]
./C64/Diskmags/Scene/[ARC]/Commodore C64 - Diskmags - Scene - [ARC]
./C64/Diskmags/Scene/[NIB]/Commodore C64 - Diskmags - Scene - [NIB]
./C64/Diskmags/Scene/[D64]/Commodore C64 - Diskmags - Scene - [D64]
./C64/Diskmags/Scene/[LNX]/Commodore C64 - Diskmags - Scene - [LNX]
./C64/Diskmags/Scene/[PRG]/Commodore C64 - Diskmags - Scene - [PRG]
./C64/Diskmags/Scene/[SDA]/Commodore C64 - Diskmags - Scene - [SDA]
./C64/Diskmags/Scene/[T64]/Commodore C64 - Diskmags - Scene - [T64]
./C64/Diskmags/Scene/[G64]/Commodore C64 - Diskmags - Scene - [G64]
./C64/Diskmags/Scene/[D71]/Commodore C64 - Diskmags - Scene - [D71]
./C64/Diskmags/Scene/[SFX]/Commodore C64 - Diskmags - Scene - [SFX]
./C64/Diskmags/Scene/[Z64]/Commodore C64 - Diskmags - Scene - [Z64]
./C64/Diskmags/Scene/[P00]/Commodore C64 - Diskmags - Scene - [P00]
./C64/Educational/[NBZ]/Commodore C64 - Educational - [NBZ]
./C64/Educational/[NIB]/Commodore C64 - Educational - [NIB]
./C64/Educational/[D64]/Commodore C64 - Educational - [D64]
./C64/Educational/[LNX]/Commodore C64 - Educational - [LNX]
./C64/Educational/[PRG]/Commodore C64 - Educational - [PRG]
./C64/Educational/[SDA]/Commodore C64 - Educational - [SDA]
./C64/Educational/[T64]/Commodore C64 - Educational - [T64]
./C64/Educational/[BIN]/Commodore C64 - Educational - [BIN]
./C64/Educational/[TAP]/Commodore C64 - Educational - [TAP]
./C64/Educational/[CRT]/Commodore C64 - Educational - [CRT]
./C64/Educational/[G64]/Commodore C64 - Educational - [G64]
./C64/Educational/[DMP]/Commodore C64 - Educational - [DMP]
./C64/Educational/[Z64]/Commodore C64 - Educational - [Z64]
./C64/Educational/[P00]/Commodore C64 - Educational - [P00]
./C64/Docs/[D64]/Commodore C64 - Docs - [D64]
./C64/Docs/[LNX]/Commodore C64 - Docs - [LNX]
./C64/Docs/[PRG]/Commodore C64 - Docs - [PRG]
./C64/Docs/[T64]/Commodore C64 - Docs - [T64]
./C64/Docs/[SFX]/Commodore C64 - Docs - [SFX]
./C64/Docs/[Z64]/Commodore C64 - Docs - [Z64]
./C64/Docs/[P00]/Commodore C64 - Docs - [P00]
./C64/Music/[NIB]/Commodore C64 - Music - [NIB]
./C64/Music/[D64]/Commodore C64 - Music - [D64]
./C64/Music/[LNX]/Commodore C64 - Music - [LNX]
./C64/Music/[PRG]/Commodore C64 - Music - [PRG]
./C64/Music/[SDA]/Commodore C64 - Music - [SDA]
./C64/Music/[T64]/Commodore C64 - Music - [T64]
./C64/Music/[G64]/Commodore C64 - Music - [G64]
./C64/Music/[Z64]/Commodore C64 - Music - [Z64]
./C64/Music/[P00]/Commodore C64 - Music - [P00]
./C64/Sources/Commodore C64 - Sources
./C64/Collections/Oxyron/Commodore C64 - Collections - Oxyron
./C64/Collections/BugJam/Commodore C64 - Collections - BugJam
./C64/Collections/Blast from the Past/Commodore C64 - Collections - Blast from the Past
./C64/Collections/High Voltage/Commodore C64 - Collections - High Voltage
./C64/Collections/Dotson/Commodore C64 - Collections - Dotson
./C64/Collections/Einstein/Commodore C64 - Collections - Einstein
./C64/Collections/Derbyshire Ram/[D64]/Commodore C64 - Collections - Derbyshire Ram - [D64]
./C64/Collections/Derbyshire Ram/[G64]/Commodore C64 - Collections - Derbyshire Ram - [G64]
./C64/Collections/C64CD'96/Commodore C64 - Collections - C64CD'96
./C64/Collections/Manik/Commodore C64 - Collections - Manik
./C64/Collections/Watties/Commodore C64 - Collections - Watties
./C64/Collections/Tadpole/Commodore C64 - Collections - Tadpole
./C64/Collections/Hornet/Commodore C64 - Collections - Hornet
./C64/Collections/Fairlight/Commodore C64 - Collections - Fairlight
./C64/Collections/Jazzcat/Commodore C64 - Collections - Jazzcat
./C64/Collections/Great White North/Commodore C64 - Collections - Great White North
./C64/Collections/Earthshaker/Commodore C64 - Collections - Earthshaker
./C64/GEOS/[D64]/Commodore C64 - GEOS - [D64]
./C64/GEOS/[LNX]/Commodore C64 - GEOS - [LNX]
./C64/Cracktros/[NIB]/Commodore C64 - Cracktros - [NIB]
./C64/Cracktros/[D64]/Commodore C64 - Cracktros - [D64]
./C64/Cracktros/[LNX]/Commodore C64 - Cracktros - [LNX]
./C64/Cracktros/[PRG]/Commodore C64 - Cracktros - [PRG]
./C64/Cracktros/[T64]/Commodore C64 - Cracktros - [T64]
./C64/Cracktros/[Z64]/Commodore C64 - Cracktros - [Z64]
./C64/Cracktros/[P00]/Commodore C64 - Cracktros - [P00]
./BX256-80HP/Operating Systems/Commodore BX256-80HP - Operating Systems
./BX256-80HP/Applications/Commodore BX256-80HP - Applications
./C64DTV/Games/[D64]/Commodore C64DTV - Games - [D64]
./C64DTV/Games/[PRG]/Commodore C64DTV - Games - [PRG]
./C64DTV/Games/[T64]/Commodore C64DTV - Games - [T64]
./C64DTV/Demos/[D81]/Commodore C64DTV - Demos - [D81]
./C64DTV/Demos/[D64]/Commodore C64DTV - Demos - [D64]
./C64DTV/Demos/[PRG]/Commodore C64DTV - Demos - [PRG]
./C64DTV/Applications/[D64]/Commodore C64DTV - Applications - [D64]
./C64DTV/Applications/[PRG]/Commodore C64DTV - Applications - [PRG]


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